I'd like to draw attention to website I've been looking at about fitting a hydrogen cell to your car battery so your car runs more efficiently. Cool little invention I think, should probably be a compulsory technology. Adds a couple more miles to the gallon.
http://www.youtube.com/EletrikRide
"Crack" seems like a skater, very 'G'ed up by his invention he's started selling. Don't blame him. Goood stuff, only in America.
If you're going to run an 800watt stereo or whatever why not fit a hydrogen cell pumping hydroxy gas (hydrogen and oxygen) straight into the airline of your engine. Total mad scientist, watch his playlists.
If Leyland had been working properly like this guy they would still be open now. Entrepreneur, one for the dragon's den.
This person "ScareCrow" seems to be the leading authority on backyard HHO technology and development. Conclusive evidence that it works can be found at this URL
Arnold Schartznegger himself presented an award in california to the first commercial car with this technology fitted, "The Scorpian" designed and built by the minister of a church ckaiming devine inspiration from God for his motivations. Follow the link to take a look.
http://www.ronnmotors.com/cms/
The only thing stopping people running those nuclear cells on submarines that go forever is a law stating it is illegal to use those materials for civilian purposes because they could be used dangerously.....the technology is there.
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction."
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Maybe all this petrol saving stuff is b******t. The safest to save the environment is drive as little as possible, buy food and goods locally and not fly too much.
Whatever happened to harvest festivals? It is staggering to think how dependant the British have become on other countries to supply food .... nanny state gone mad! I was trying to join one of those "land-share" things advertised on TV. We'll be China's bitch like America before we know it...hint hint!
Having lived with practically no money for nearly 10 years now I think I'm good for it. I've been hardened up, a rural life compared to metal I think would be a breeze. Birmingham is a dark place, Ozzy's right "mob rule" and "evil minds that plot destruction" sounds about right.
I have done a little research on the "hydrogen cell" and I'm still unsure if it really is more efficient than just petrol.
My thoughts are that the process of electrolysis is almost perfect in so far as no energy is wasted. I have read that a better catalytic solution would make it better but I'm not convinced.
The battery power supplied by drag from the alternator is the real issue. I don't know enough about how alternators work to comment but my guess is they could be made to work more efficiently than they do.
It may just be that the "hydroxy gas" helps burn the fuel used more completely producing less carbon monoxide and burning the heavy dense petrol that would otherwise come out the exhaust as smoke. The reason for this being the hydrogen burn being so much more explosive and quickthan petrol.For an old engine it could just be making it run as new.
I have read about the therodynamics of energy in and out of electrolysis and combustion respectively. Research estimates 58% efficiency for electrolysis at best and 50% working power from combustion (with energy lost by way of heat)
I think, not sure? Would need to sit down and study all the equations and work it out properly. I'm sure it's possible but it hasn't been published (I can't find it)
Apparently there is something called "Faraday's Law" that is a way of working out the usable "working power" of any reaction within a closed system. With respect to atomic masses and molar quantites of the chemicals and processes used I don't doubt it would be very complicated.
The fact Scarecrow and Smack were trying to change the proportions of components of the engines to get more workable power from the hydroxy gas as it can be burnt at much higher pressures fo maximum power output shows how complicated the technology is beyond the surface of simply rigging one of these things up. Water as a bi-product could wreck your engine? What is the optimal running temperature for this duel fuel system? Alot of factors and variables that need to be understood and mastered.
1)What smack is doing is spliting H20 (water) by electrolysis to combust the HHO (hydroxy gas)in his engine.
2)What this bloke in the National Geographic article is doing is spliting water by electrolysis powered by solar power and generating electricity by way of a "fuel cell"
ie/liberating hydrogen with oxygen again and harnessing the emitted electron released as electricity as a power source.
3)What the people at General motors are doing is trying to run cars on hydrogen but the infrustructure to produce hydrogen and price of hydrogen needs to come down.
......but it is agreed that even using hydrogen from natural gas it is 30% more efficient than using natural gas in terms of Carbon dioxide released. As a fuel in itself hydrogen is twice as efficient as petrol in the way it creates "workable power"(Faraday's law of thermodynamics)
4)What you keep coming across on the internet is a person called Stanley Mayers. A kind of mythical character who claimed in the 70's it is possible to run a car on water alone.
As I see it there are three interpretations of Stanley Mayors patent that was apparently purposely criptic to deter other people trying to copy it.
i) Very similar to Smack's in production of hydrogen but in a conventional sense some how more efficient. Frequency pulsing of water?
ii) In much the same way as Tesla's oscilloscope worked (to basically recreate lightening) Capacitors pass current to something unable to earth itself through the air in pulses until lightening is produced. What one lecturer suggested was that if water was present when the energy is released, earthed (very violently) that in a controlled environment alot of hydrogen and oxygen would be produced. My argument would be that too much electricity is required for it too work. Massive battery power.
iii) The other interpretation of Stanley Mayor's engine is so esoteric it is impossible to describe but revolves around a non-combustable gas, an ionised gas, and water coming into contact with one an other in such a way that massive volume expansion of gas and heat are produced to power the car.
I couldn't honestly say I could make much sense at all of the stuff I've read but it is such a tantilising idea that you want to believe it could work. Even the Japanese have claimed to have achieved it.
Eletrikride's latest video is a little misleading iin my opinion to previous ones. He says that you don't need an EFI unit in his latest device that works off a very powerful alternater. That's probably incorrect.
SMACK from Eletrikride in my opinion is barking up the wrong tree. The contribution from his electrolysis cell will not improve the efficiency of his engine enough to make it a viable venture and I think this is the reason he is beginning to get into legal difficulty with what he is doing.
It's informative it's educational but in essence it is a novelty and does not have any commercial potential as a device to noticeable improve a car's efficiency. The best thing Americans could do to help slow global warming is drive smaller cars and drive less.
The idea of hydrogen as a fuel is a good one. I also like the idea of deriving petrol from algea. The idea of using nuclear power to derive hydrogen for a fuel is a good one too.
I think the Stanley Mayor idea is a myth but I wouldn't discourage anyone from trying to research it.
Saw on TV someone trying to power air conditioning with waste heat from engine. I thought cars already did that? Apparently not. Well, combi-boilers already recycle waste gas heat as do some central heating systems in certain industrial environments so I gues it was just a matter of time before cars did so too.
To be honest, air conditioning as a system for climate control in itself is incredibly wasteful and expensive and harmful to the environment. When you consider every building in Chicago for example (for six months of the year) uses air conditioning, what a waste!! Also consider Dubai in Saudi Arabia. It is a desert so it's little wonder that if every single building (and car) wasn't air conditioned in that city you would fry.
Really stupid place to build a city. Everything about Dubai defies common sense. Not alot you can do about the interiors of the USA. Same with RUSSIA. Extreme heat and cold seasonally.
Link from some bloke basically claiming that the way forward with hydrogen production is electrolysis with bacteria in catalytic solution requiring 10% as much electricity to achieve production through normal catalyst. Is this bollocks? I don't know.
This report is basically saying there is no funding available to progress with the hydrogen fuel technologies because of the wars at the moment and downturn in the US economy.
I'm wrong about nuclear after watching this. Apparently carbon capping like in Aba Dabi is the way forward. You know, it's really hard to see any solution, hate to sound pessimistic
Should probably include "hybrid technology" Toyota Prius. Fills up with petrol, charges and runs electric motor in combination to make car more efficient.
My Man, Joe Byers down in London has promoting this car for as long as I can remember. He is currently recovering from an operation for cancer to the bowel so get well soon Joe.
Battery technology has obviously come along way recently with mobile phones and the like. Free car tax and parking available with this motor to promote it. Currently Birmingham is trying to introduce these things into this city.
Not as convient as petrol having to find places to charge but it works! Again, lacking infrustructure for this product. Joe used to run a plug out his letter box into the street to his car and charge it over night.
Problem where I live, Birmingham, is your car/property is vandalised so I don't know if that system would work here? Sorry Joe, only flaw.
These kind of cars have been running in Switzerland and main land Europe for a long time,.... WE ARE BEHIND!!
The "nice" car means this thing is friendly. Electricity as a power source is kind of good I guess. It is the easiest power to produce from all sources, ie/ solar, wind, nuclear, coal, oil, gas, hydro, etc...
Problem with electric is it is difficult to transport (loses power) over distance and also it lacks performance but a sensible person can see past that and go skateboarding on the weekends or whatever else they may do for their adrenelin fix.
Well, here you have it. High performance battery powered car. This is great but we still need to develope and implement all these methods of producing electricity in a clean (renewable if possible) way.
As stated previously. The way to extract gas is split it and send the CO2 back into the ground. The Hydrogen bi-product will create double the electricity through a fuel cell rather than an old fashioned turbine as shown in Abu Dhabi.
Oil is a different matter but same principle, try to stuff the emissions at point of extraction and electricity generation back into the gound.
Coal is a difficult one... It is always used to make electricity anyway so it is always going to be a pro-electric fossil fuel. Never going to be environmentally friendly. Probably why China has been so quick off the mark with electric cars (they have alot of Coal).
Didn't actually realise what my brother does. Works for "enpure" in the recycling trade.
Makes, sells and sets up biofuel stations that are powered by domestic waste only and churn out fertilizer. They just produce enough electricity to break even on running costs/ utility bills. Very similar to the biogas advert:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UafRz3QeO8&NR=1
Except they don't use actually crop fuel that makes alot more methane just household rubbish. Bizarre how when he comes to visit I almost feel like I know more about his business than him.... Anyway website for "green hero" company is:
www.enpure.co.uk
I used to work in recycling in the Sandwell district of Birmingham as an assistant financial administrator collecting and recycling corporate waste paper mainly and would you believe the closest place you can get plastic recycled is China. It's a pain in the arse to separate and recycle apparently.....
With so many people out of work and looking for work at the moment you would have thought it was the perfect area to develope. It is true that recycling is one of the few remaining sectors that are still receiving government grants for development at the moment. Moreso even than for construction projects at the moment.
You know, coal in steam trains a great way to use coal every efficiently. VERY POWERFUL THINGS!! Boats too.
Easy to romantisize about old steam engines and cruise liners. Problem is very labour intensive things. A locomotive for example has to have it's boiler changed every 40,000 miles which is ridiculous when you consider the size of these things also you have to start warming the engine at say 4 in the morning for it to set off at 9am. Got a ton of shit coming out of the bottom of it every day and you've got to shovel by hand the coal into it but I can see the attraction of steam engines. Bollock hard labour never did anyone any harm and I bet it's a good crack if you get into it. "Locomotive Works"
Please excuse bad language, sometimes just in a foul mood....
Someone said to me electricity is still a dirty fuel produced from coal but it is a step in the right direction at the very least and realistically it is the only peaceful solution to our impending energy crisis.
"Build it and they will come" is the kind of atitude I think we must take to electric powered cars. People will start working out ways of producing their own electricity renewably as a substitute when costs become too much....
I'd like to draw attention to website I've been looking at about fitting a hydrogen cell to your car battery so your car runs more efficiently. Cool little invention I think, should probably be a compulsory technology. Adds a couple more miles to the gallon.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/EletrikRide
"Crack" seems like a skater, very 'G'ed up by his invention he's started selling. Don't blame him. Goood stuff, only in America.
If you're going to run an 800watt stereo or whatever why not fit a hydrogen cell pumping hydroxy gas (hydrogen and oxygen) straight into the airline of your engine. Total mad scientist, watch his playlists.
ReplyDeleteIf Leyland had been working properly like this guy they would still be open now. Entrepreneur, one for the dragon's den.
This person "ScareCrow" seems to be the leading authority on backyard HHO technology and development. Conclusive evidence that it works can be found at this URL
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APpGvVWsZZ8
Arnold Schartznegger himself presented an award in california to the first commercial car with this technology fitted, "The Scorpian" designed and built by the minister of a church ckaiming devine inspiration from God for his motivations. Follow the link to take a look.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.ronnmotors.com/cms/
The only thing stopping people running those nuclear cells on submarines that go forever is a law stating it is illegal to use those materials for civilian purposes because they could be used dangerously.....the technology is there.
Collected Quotes from Albert Einstein
ReplyDelete"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction."
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
I think it's interesting that the executive director of general motors constantly refers to his new hydrogen powered car as being a "skateboard".
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obs2tAq57j8
Maybe all this petrol saving stuff is b******t. The safest to save the environment is drive as little as possible, buy food and goods locally and not fly too much.
ReplyDeleteWhatever happened to harvest festivals? It is staggering to think how dependant the British have become on other countries to supply food .... nanny state gone mad! I was trying to join one of those "land-share" things advertised on TV. We'll be China's bitch like America before we know it...hint hint!
Having lived with practically no money for nearly 10 years now I think I'm good for it. I've been hardened up, a rural life compared to metal I think would be a breeze. Birmingham is a dark place, Ozzy's right "mob rule" and "evil minds that plot destruction" sounds about right.
I have done a little research on the "hydrogen cell" and I'm still unsure if it really is more efficient than just petrol.
ReplyDeleteMy thoughts are that the process of electrolysis is almost perfect in so far as no energy is wasted. I have read that a better catalytic solution would make it better but I'm not convinced.
The battery power supplied by drag from the alternator is the real issue. I don't know enough about how alternators work to comment but my guess is they could be made to work more efficiently than they do.
It may just be that the "hydroxy gas" helps burn the fuel used more completely producing less carbon monoxide and burning the heavy dense petrol that would otherwise come out the exhaust as smoke. The reason for this being the hydrogen burn being so much more explosive and quickthan petrol.For an old engine it could just be making it run as new.
I have read about the therodynamics of energy in and out of electrolysis and combustion respectively. Research estimates 58% efficiency for electrolysis at best and 50% working power from combustion (with energy lost by way of heat)
I think, not sure? Would need to sit down and study all the equations and work it out properly. I'm sure it's possible but it hasn't been published (I can't find it)
Apparently there is something called "Faraday's Law" that is a way of working out the usable "working power" of any reaction within a closed system. With respect to atomic masses and molar quantites of the chemicals and processes used I don't doubt it would be very complicated.
ReplyDeleteThe fact Scarecrow and Smack were trying to change the proportions of components of the engines to get more workable power from the hydroxy gas as it can be burnt at much higher pressures fo maximum power output shows how complicated the technology is beyond the surface of simply rigging one of these things up. Water as a bi-product could wreck your engine? What is the optimal running temperature for this duel fuel system? Alot of factors and variables that need to be understood and mastered.
National Geographic article on fuel cells. Using solar power instead of car battery for power.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/user/NationalGeographic#play/uploads/319/WZ9hAIB2xEk
Ok, I have to state my thoughts. Excuse me.
ReplyDelete1)What smack is doing is spliting H20 (water) by electrolysis to combust the HHO (hydroxy gas)in his engine.
2)What this bloke in the National Geographic article is doing is spliting water by electrolysis powered by solar power and generating electricity by way of a "fuel cell"
ie/liberating hydrogen with oxygen again and harnessing the emitted electron released as electricity as a power source.
3)What the people at General motors are doing is trying to run cars on hydrogen but the infrustructure to produce hydrogen and price of hydrogen needs to come down.
......but it is agreed that even using hydrogen from natural gas it is 30% more efficient than using natural gas in terms of Carbon dioxide released. As a fuel in itself hydrogen is twice as efficient as petrol in the way it creates "workable power"(Faraday's law of thermodynamics)
4)What you keep coming across on the internet is a person called Stanley Mayers. A kind of mythical character who claimed in the 70's it is possible to run a car on water alone.
As I see it there are three interpretations of Stanley Mayors patent that was apparently purposely criptic to deter other people trying to copy it.
i) Very similar to Smack's in production of hydrogen but in a conventional sense some how more efficient. Frequency pulsing of water?
ii) In much the same way as Tesla's oscilloscope worked (to basically recreate lightening) Capacitors pass current to something unable to earth itself through the air in pulses until lightening is produced. What one lecturer suggested was that if water was present when the energy is released, earthed (very violently) that in a controlled environment alot of hydrogen and oxygen would be produced. My argument would be that too much electricity is required for it too work. Massive battery power.
iii) The other interpretation of Stanley Mayor's engine is so esoteric it is impossible to describe but revolves around a non-combustable gas, an ionised gas, and water coming into contact with one an other in such a way that massive volume expansion of gas and heat are produced to power the car.
I couldn't honestly say I could make much sense at all of the stuff I've read but it is such a tantilising idea that you want to believe it could work. Even the Japanese have claimed to have achieved it.
Eletrikride's latest video is a little misleading iin my opinion to previous ones. He says that you don't need an EFI unit in his latest device that works off a very powerful alternater. That's probably incorrect.
ReplyDeleteSMACK from Eletrikride in my opinion is barking up the wrong tree. The contribution from his electrolysis cell will not improve the efficiency of his engine enough to make it a viable venture and I think this is the reason he is beginning to get into legal difficulty with what he is doing.
ReplyDeleteIt's informative it's educational but in essence it is a novelty and does not have any commercial potential as a device to noticeable improve a car's efficiency. The best thing Americans could do to help slow global warming is drive smaller cars and drive less.
The idea of hydrogen as a fuel is a good one. I also like the idea of deriving petrol from algea. The idea of using nuclear power to derive hydrogen for a fuel is a good one too.
I think the Stanley Mayor idea is a myth but I wouldn't discourage anyone from trying to research it.
Saw on TV someone trying to power air conditioning with waste heat from engine. I thought cars already did that? Apparently not. Well, combi-boilers already recycle waste gas heat as do some central heating systems in certain industrial environments so I gues it was just a matter of time before cars did so too.
ReplyDeleteTo be honest, air conditioning as a system for climate control in itself is incredibly wasteful and expensive and harmful to the environment. When you consider every building in Chicago for example (for six months of the year) uses air conditioning, what a waste!! Also consider Dubai in Saudi Arabia. It is a desert so it's little wonder that if every single building (and car) wasn't air conditioned in that city you would fry.
Really stupid place to build a city. Everything about Dubai defies common sense. Not alot you can do about the interiors of the USA. Same with RUSSIA. Extreme heat and cold seasonally.
THE LITTLE IDEA
ReplyDelete1) Smack electrolysis HHO system
THE MEDIUM SIZE IDEA
2) Hydrogen fuel for fuel cell, no emissions, need infrustructure for cheap supply of hydrogen as discussed above.
BIG IDEA
3) Stanley Mayor's running a car on water. Myth/bollocks idea for the sake of argument.
THE MISSION
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktqvFGdgo2w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESQ_bcX6PBE
ReplyDeleteLink from some bloke basically claiming that the way forward with hydrogen production is electrolysis with bacteria in catalytic solution requiring 10% as much electricity to achieve production through normal catalyst. Is this bollocks? I don't know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il0Dw3vfjZk
ReplyDeleteSaudi country Abu Dabi, set up hydrogen fuelled power station extracting hydrogen from natural gas.
I'm really looking for hydrogen to be extracted from renewable sources but I admit this power plant is really impressive. Well done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHK_qfjkYg8&feature=related
ReplyDeleteBiogas power station running your car, boiler and electric generator. ie/ everything you need.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UafRz3QeO8&NR=1
ReplyDeleteBiogas plant advert. These are the things that are pushing up food costs at the moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuWPo8aEU1w&feature=PlayList&p=C3484CEF71DD6BB4&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=38
ReplyDeleteOK! Obama behind this one "presidential" which is good. This is the way forward in my humble opinion. Hydrogen from nuclear.
http://www.hydrogenforecast.com/ArticleDetails.php?articleID=424
ReplyDeleteThis report is basically saying there is no funding available to progress with the hydrogen fuel technologies because of the wars at the moment and downturn in the US economy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9-lNpJyxxs&playnext=2&p=C3484CEF71DD6BB4&index=41&feature=PlayList&playnext_from=PL&ytsession=InSbcl-poljAB-oZ-Ry3Eo9IRj6X-Ga7qFBlQwcSmUVRNJeLpaBHw_AREZ3x1sXbEo7LY6rRka5yCbtKGEPzpXp351yHMLT_CX25-jAsm5NwbsS18gl8sjxL8utidJdFk43cDK9hAV1S8XEd0DCwLnLE2AAtT-P_j_lg_j65gzt8tI0ndaokJUjVzaOaYLxRnvqX1MMQhKRzN2W_tyzIy1wCRwmPo-7wycUJLLCmFJPoTngKRHTDiT036emgrCIH3ecXzHCLPsLWMNoVOjLUWxX6idFoUnIy5YAVSyubUaungJPyoZwyrLW86hrzLBlUO6A_gNYcrKRMM6PYd9ZhxjaIQv_ducaKFkJtLHjL-pzavQubDyBC8Lnxt8dwyT-Klz2EmLKhjV1_fL0-xXcSv3fWzXkhBIjthW9WefxrluvDCZC0ZpUeRdF3BizgT3Gt
ReplyDeleteTypical British report. Conflicting information and opinions from people who can't organise a piss up in a brewery.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSBKGp_UW7I&feature=PlayList&p=C3484CEF71DD6BB4&index=22&playnext=2&playnext_from=PL
ReplyDeleteI'm wrong about nuclear after watching this. Apparently carbon capping like in Aba Dabi is the way forward. You know, it's really hard to see any solution, hate to sound pessimistic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HrQeGzIZoI&feature=related
ReplyDeleteShould probably include "hybrid technology" Toyota Prius. Fills up with petrol, charges and runs electric motor in combination to make car more efficient.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUnpvA1Hk0c
ReplyDeleteMy Man, Joe Byers down in London has promoting this car for as long as I can remember. He is currently recovering from an operation for cancer to the bowel so get well soon Joe.
Battery technology has obviously come along way recently with mobile phones and the like. Free car tax and parking available with this motor to promote it. Currently Birmingham is trying to introduce these things into this city.
Not as convient as petrol having to find places to charge but it works! Again, lacking infrustructure for this product. Joe used to run a plug out his letter box into the street to his car and charge it over night.
Problem where I live, Birmingham, is your car/property is vandalised so I don't know if that system would work here? Sorry Joe, only flaw.
These kind of cars have been running in Switzerland and main land Europe for a long time,.... WE ARE BEHIND!!
The "nice" car means this thing is friendly. Electricity as a power source is kind of good I guess. It is the easiest power to produce from all sources, ie/ solar, wind, nuclear, coal, oil, gas, hydro, etc...
ReplyDeleteProblem with electric is it is difficult to transport (loses power) over distance and also it lacks performance but a sensible person can see past that and go skateboarding on the weekends or whatever else they may do for their adrenelin fix.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJW5dVF_ss8&feature=featured
ReplyDeleteWell, here you have it. High performance battery powered car. This is great but we still need to develope and implement all these methods of producing electricity in a clean (renewable if possible) way.
As stated previously. The way to extract gas is split it and send the CO2 back into the ground. The Hydrogen bi-product will create double the electricity through a fuel cell rather than an old fashioned turbine as shown in Abu Dhabi.
Oil is a different matter but same principle, try to stuff the emissions at point of extraction and electricity generation back into the gound.
Coal is a difficult one... It is always used to make electricity anyway so it is always going to be a pro-electric fossil fuel. Never going to be environmentally friendly. Probably why China has been so quick off the mark with electric cars (they have alot of Coal).
Nice Key Ring
Didn't actually realise what my brother does. Works for "enpure" in the recycling trade.
ReplyDeleteMakes, sells and sets up biofuel stations that are powered by domestic waste only and churn out fertilizer. They just produce enough electricity to break even on running costs/ utility bills. Very similar to the biogas advert:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UafRz3QeO8&NR=1
Except they don't use actually crop fuel that makes alot more methane just household rubbish. Bizarre how when he comes to visit I almost feel like I know more about his business than him.... Anyway website for "green hero" company is:
www.enpure.co.uk
I used to work in recycling in the Sandwell district of Birmingham as an assistant financial administrator collecting and recycling corporate waste paper mainly and would you believe the closest place you can get plastic recycled is China. It's a pain in the arse to separate and recycle apparently.....
With so many people out of work and looking for work at the moment you would have thought it was the perfect area to develope. It is true that recycling is one of the few remaining sectors that are still receiving government grants for development at the moment. Moreso even than for construction projects at the moment.
You know, coal in steam trains a great way to use coal every efficiently. VERY POWERFUL THINGS!! Boats too.
ReplyDeleteEasy to romantisize about old steam engines and cruise liners. Problem is very labour intensive things. A locomotive for example has to have it's boiler changed every 40,000 miles which is ridiculous when you consider the size of these things also you have to start warming the engine at say 4 in the morning for it to set off at 9am. Got a ton of shit coming out of the bottom of it every day and you've got to shovel by hand the coal into it but I can see the attraction of steam engines. Bollock hard labour never did anyone any harm and I bet it's a good crack if you get into it. "Locomotive Works"
http://www.youtube.com/user/GearlessUK#p/u/0/xT-zvFv9IrA
ReplyDeletePlease excuse bad language, sometimes just in a foul mood....
Someone said to me electricity is still a dirty fuel produced from coal but it is a step in the right direction at the very least and realistically it is the only peaceful solution to our impending energy crisis.
"Build it and they will come" is the kind of atitude I think we must take to electric powered cars. People will start working out ways of producing their own electricity renewably as a substitute when costs become too much....